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 Aug 13 2008, 04:22 PM
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Master Of Reality
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QUOTE(snaglepus @ Aug 13 2008, 03:27 PM) :)
Hey kid, I gotcha by 22 years! DOB: 05/20/36
That's a good price, but it can be bettered by other brands that are more tire for less money. :amen:
I hate seeing people pay so much when better tires are available for less.
As an example, I found Pirelli PZero Nero M&S PINNA (Standard equipment on Rustangs)
Size: 235/55ZR17, Modified tread for Mustang OE
Serv. Desc: 98W Load Index 98 = 1653lbs (750kg) per tire
Speed Rating “W” = 168mph (270kph)
UTQG: Treadwear: 400 Traction: AA Temperature: A
Price: $91.00 Special
Carry on. :whistling:
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Dad ! Is that you ? :grin: Oh I totaly agree on a tire for a better price. I will not put them back on no matter the price. I like Yokohama. S.drive Aggressive Grip. Smooth Handling. Impeccable Control. Z-speed rated. 235/55R-17 103W XL B Reading the Tire Size $126.00 ea. Found it Lower? Let us Know! Specifications: Treadwear: 300 Traction: A Temperature: A Speed Rating: Z Although I have found that H rated tires last longer and give better service over all... Unless you are a very agressive driver. This car handles so poorly that I don't think it really needs Anything higher than H rated. I'm not taking her over a 100 Mph.
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 Aug 14 2008, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(Brazzel @ Aug 13 2008, 02:22 PM) Dad ! Is that you ? :grin:
Oh I totally agree on a tire for a better price. I will not put them [Mechilins] back on no matter the price. I like Yokohama. S.drive [?] Aggressive Grip. Smooth Handling. Impeccable Control. Z-speed rated.
235/55R-17 103W XL B $126.00 Find it Lower? Let us Know!
Specifications: Treadwear: 300 Traction: A Temperature: A Speed Rating: Z
Although I have found that H rated tires last longer and give better service over all . . Unless you are a very aggressive driver. This car handles so poorly that I don't think it really needs anything higher than an H rating. I'm not taking her over a 100 Mph.[right][snapback]182761[/snapback][/right] :) Yes sonny. 'Tis eye. :laughing: What I'd say about that particular tire are its rather short tread wear rating of only 300, and that the tire is a truck tire! It will not last as long as a tire with say a 400 or higher tread wear rating. And ride hard? Since you are not an aggressive driver, why do you need a tire that has a relatively soft tread compound? The higher the tread wear rating, the harder the tread compound will be and the longer the tire generally will last. Being as a tire has an H or whatever rating should not have any bearing on the tires long or short life. In other words, a speed rating does not determine its tread life. The only reason to go higher than even an R or S rating is how fast you plan on going. If you never go faster than 100 mph, an R rating is fine. If a person wanted a tire that should last much longer and didn't go over 112 mph, they might consider this tire: Continental Touring Contact AS (Standard Touring All-Season) Size: 235/55SR17 Serv. Desc: 98S Speed Rating “S” = 112mph (180kph) UTQG: Treadwear: 520 Traction: A , Temperature: B , Price: Only $81.00 each ! You like Yokohamas? How about this one: Yokohama AVID H4S (High Performance All-Season) Size: 235/55HR17 Serv. Desc: 99H Speed Rating “H” = 130mph (210kph) UTQG: Treadwear: 500Traction: AA , Temperature A , Price: Only $116.00 Here is a Yokohama that fits all your requiements. "Found for lower" and with longer tread wear too! Note. It is not V rated however. Regarding our Azeras not handling well, ol' mahout might argue that point with you. :whistling: See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRJrqI5DkU Remember that? There may be a partial solution to any handling problem coming soon in the form of better shocks. :unsure: Have a good one! :beer: :)
This post has been edited by snaglepus: Aug 14 2008, 10:32 AM
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Aug 14 2008, 03:53 PM
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Master Of Reality
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QUOTE(snaglepus @ Aug 14 2008, 09:34 AM) :) Yes sonny. 'Tis eye. :laughing: What I'd say about that particular tire are its rather short tread wear rating of only 300, and that the tire is a truck tire! It will not last as long as a tire with say a 400 or higher tread wear rating. And ride hard? Since you are not an aggressive driver, why do you need a tire that has a relatively soft tread compound? The higher the tread wear rating, the harder the tread compound will be and the longer the tire generally will last. Being as a tire has an H or whatever rating should not have any bearing on the tires long or short life. In other words, a speed rating does not determine its tread life. The only reason to go higher than even an R or S rating is how fast you plan on going. If you never go faster than 100 mph, an R rating is fine. If a person wanted a tire that should last much longer and didn't go over 112 mph, they might consider this tire: Continental Touring Contact AS (Standard Touring All-Season) Size: 235/55SR17 Serv. Desc: 98S Speed Rating “S” = 112mph (180kph) UTQG: Treadwear: 520 Traction: A , Temperature: B , Price: Only $81.00 each ! You like Yokohamas? How about this one: Yokohama AVID H4S (High Performance All-Season) Size: 235/55HR17 Serv. Desc: 99H Speed Rating “H” = 130mph (210kph) UTQG: Treadwear: 500Traction: AA , Temperature A , Price: Only $116.00 Here is a Yokohama that fits all your requiements. "Found for lower" and with longer tread wear too! Note. It is not V rated however. Regarding our Azeras not handling well, ol' mahout might argue that point with you. :whistling: See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRJrqI5DkU Remember that? There may be a partial solution to any handling problem coming soon in the form of better shocks. :unsure: Have a good one! :beer: :) [right][snapback]182913[/snapback][/right] Truck tire ? Oh well.... Maybe I'm smoking dope :whistling: I've had the Avids on the Toyota... I liked them.
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Aug 18 2008, 08:00 AM
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Update on warranty tire change out:
New tires were installed yesterday including alignment. Tires are the same with an intersting obseravtion not on other tires, the Michelin logo includes the Michelin Man image and the word "Energy" on the tire. Otherwise tire is identical. May not mean anything but just an observation.
Alignment was outside of specification. Will post specifics later (forgot the print-out, but still wanted to get post up). He confirmed previous information indicating this was the the 3rd 07 Azera with alignment conditions in the last 2 months. Mine had the highest milage to date (15,282). He also talked at me about how the alignment issues influencing the tire wear and that gives the tires the bad rap. He again emphasized the quality of these tires. Totally understood especially when I rotated, balanced and maintained inflation to spec from mile number 9... Still, don't understand how I did not notice any pull,vibration etc. with this condition but was told it is possible.
Car rides as it did originally. Reminds me why I bought the car...
I'm going to contact Hyundai and see how they handle this infromation. Will update as I progress through this.
FishOn...
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Aug 19 2008, 03:17 PM
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Wife called Hyundai Roadside Assistance and they arrived after 45 minutes and Azera is on its to Dealer...
Let's wait and see what this turns into... I hate having such a bad attitude about this...
Fishon
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Aug 19 2008, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(FishOn @ Aug 19 2008, 11:43 AM) Just after all the tire/slignment stuff, totally PO'd with todays issues. Wife just called and said Azera "check engine" was blinking and car went into convulsion mode. Fortunately close to home, now sitting in driveway and dealer recommended not to drive and tow to shop.
Fishon
[right][snapback]183942[/snapback][/right] :) Sounds like the old O2 sensor problem. :unsure: Been there, done that. :whistling: There were a bunch of bad O2 sensors, but once the bad one is replaced, everything will be and continues to be just fine! :liebe011: :amen:
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 Sep 8 2008, 11:58 AM
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:)
Well maybe so and maybe not.
Based on your rather limited discription of your problems, I cannot help you.
I do know that based on my own personal experience with a bad 02 sensor, there
were indeed some bad 02 sensors that were recalled. Our car had one of them.
This problem happened three times before a code was set and readable!
During the earlier two occurrences, the CEL would simply vanish leaving no codes.
But the third time our Azera had a CEL, it stayed on and was
constant, steady and not flashing and did not clear by itself.
Since your car is not setting a code, that tells me that a 'weak' 02 sensor has not yet
failed completely, and until it does, the dealer will not be able to find and
correct your problem no matter how long they keep your car. :amen:
During all three times, our engine ran very rough and caused excessive vibrations,
especially that last time. It lost cylinders and barely ran at all!
There are indeed no TSBs addressing this problem.
BTW, ours never was flatbedded.
Good luck.
:innocent:
Delfin
This post has been edited by snaglepus: Sep 8 2008, 12:39 PM
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Sep 8 2008, 02:26 PM
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Let me preface this post with the fact that I don't mean to flame you in any way shape or form.
Now, you say that you hate the fact that Hyundai has poor resale value but you went a bought a Mitsubishi? If you cared about residual value you would have bought a Toyota or a Honda. Mitsubishis hold their value a bit better than Hyundais and that is not saying much at all.
Do NOT sell your Azera, it is still under warranty and Hyundai should correct any occurring problems for you. If you sell it now it would be a very, very poor financial decision.
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Sep 9 2008, 10:55 AM
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Sorry for the limited information but I'm only going by the work order and verbal information I have received from the dealer. The first code was a misfire that was "reset" and the second was a reprogram of the ECG ( Going by memory and ECG may be incorrect...) In both cases the check engine light was flashing. The vibration between 40-50 MPH was very noticeable and definately was lead-in to check engine warning. I'll re-post after the latest visit.
Thanks again for your information and help.
Regarding sleeksilver's comments ( no need to preface anything...)
I bought both vehicles based upon extensive research on the vehicles and comparing LOTS of input (including sites like this) in my purchases. I certainly was not limited in my choices due to cost of vehicle. However, if I could get a quality/reliable vehicle with the featues I wanted/liked at a competative price I went for it - as I've always done. I've owned many new vehicles (15 in 20 years)with no obvious brand loyalty and have experienced this type of issue only once in a new vehicle (Ford) and that ended up being lemon-lawed. Bottom line was I was aware of the Hyundai depreciation issue but did not plan on these type of issues obviously impacting the value further. This is also indicated in recent CR relability information due to others experiences similar to mine.
Regarding the Mitsubishi (08 Outlander) - The features of this small SUV (in my opinion) are much better/usable than those of Honda and Toyota.
Thanks for your opinion since its always refereshing to see/consider other views.
FishOn
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Sep 15 2008, 04:37 PM
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Update:
Got the car back on Friday after a change-out of the PCM. Saturday returned from errands and parked in the drive way. Later the kids wanted to take it shopping. Guess what... the F%$@ POS won't start. I went ballistic... even thought of loading up the 40 S&W and taking out the broken mule... Tried multiple times to start and no luck, even tried to jump with not luck. Sat again all weekend...
Today, called the dealer and really let it fly. Called Hyundai Roadside Assistance and found out the service has a limit of 2 calls a year. This would be the 3rd in 4 weeks, so its on me. No show or call for more than 2 hours(even pre-paid...) so I called to follow-up. Guess what...they never showed up because no order was issued.
So wife goes out and tries to start the car and it starts... Taking advantage while its running... we take it to the dealer. Get there and they look at it right away. Service Manager comes out after a few minutes and asks me if we used the same set of keys to start the car we left on Friday. Answer was yes. Did the kids use a different set. Answer was yes. Turns out we need to go all the way home and get the 2nd set and the valet so ALL keys can be re-programmed with the PCM change-out.
Service manager apologizes since this should have been told to us when we picked up the car. Gave me a free filter and oil change certificate for the inconvenience.
Three strikes and your out...Have fun with it...
FishOn
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